"We are very appreciative of Thomas' contribution to the club," said Whitecaps president Bob Lenarduzzi. "Thomas played a pivotal role in getting the club's Residency program up and running, and in establishing a successful track record on which we will build on. The program will continue to be a focal point of our club, and the recruiting process for a replacement will begin immediately."
Fake Sigi has obtained exclusive video coverage of Niendorf's exit from the Vancouver academy with some of his staff:
When Duane started talking about divisions within the Whitecaps, I suspected Niendorf was, if not Duane's source, the main person who was unhappy. Niendorf built the Whitecaps residency program, and his contacts in Germany were in large part what enabled the team to place players there for short internships and to explore transfers in Europe. On an unrelated note, he also played a role in developing the career of Owen Hargreaves.
While no one is irreplaceable, this is probably the beginning of the end for the Whitecaps residency program as currently structured. It's no secret that MLS roster rules currently don't allow for a professional residency program comprised of players who have renounced their college eligibility. Even with an ever-expanding Generation adidas program, MLS and the USSF appear content to build off the existing youth and college efforts already in place in the United States. It's a model that's not without problems, but at least there's a model. Compare that to Canada, where the Whitecaps academy is a lone bright spot in a very bleak desert of player development efforts.
Nor does MLS allow teams to keep the entirety of player transfer fees, since all player contracts are owned by the league. Vancouver obviously felt it could make more money by entering MLS than selling players to Europe, but it has still made rumblings about somehow holding on to its residency program. We don't know what promises MLS made to Vancouver, but I think in the near term the Whitecaps will look more like the rest of the league than not. The residency program was announced less than three years ago, and didn't start until late 2007, which means it's only been in operation for just over two years. Without being able to leverage Niendorf's experience and contacts, it will be much harder to justify going forward in the same direction.
It's well known that our Canadian friends are sometimes a bit perplexed by how MLS does things. And the Vancouver residency program is a prime example of not only thinking different than MLS, but of starting a program with a completely different philosophy. MLS focuses on providing a place for domestic players to play as opposed to providing a place where players can be developed then sold abroad. Obviously some MLS players will be sold abroad, and some Whitecaps residency players would enter the first team, but the core goals of the two endeavors were not the same in their conception, and are still divergent. And MLS isn't going to consider a radical shift in philosophy to the latter model any time soon.
In this case, I see nothing wrong with asking Vancouver to get with the MLS program and fall in line, at least as far as the residency program is concerned. The league, the USSF and the CSA can sit down and sort out the best way to develop players down the line. At the same time, there's a conflict, because there's the perception that Vancouver is far in the lead in terms of developing Canadian talent. And at the moment, Canadian talent is at a premium.
There's no question Canada has been able to produce some good players. But I wonder if the ones who play domestically are enough to support two or three competitive teams in MLS. There's a lot of areas of concern up north, including last year's internal strife in the men's national team, and the myriad of problems at the CSA. None of the "big three" professional teams in Canada were able to consistently start a lineup that was more than 50% Canadian in 2009.
And if you go through this guy's list of the top 25 Canadian players from the beginning of this month, you kind of want to weep in despair. 16 of the players are listed as playing abroad, and a bunch are old and on the downside of their careers (Tomasz Radzinski is smack in the middle of the list, for god's sake). Of the guys that are playing in MLS and don't suck, only three are on Toronto FC.
After having this list stare me in the face for a couple days, it strikes me that this is the reason we see Duane and others north of the border begging for the MLS roster and salary restrictions to be loosened. Most of the best Canadian men play abroad, and the only way Toronto FC or Vancouver could get those players back to MLS is by ponying up boatloads of cash, much more cash than they can under the current scheme. The other option is to develop new talent by vastly expanding their development rosters with several more players under contract at rates which exceed those in the current collective bargaining agreement. Right now it's not a big deal for the Whitecaps, because they're playing down a division. But we've seen Toronto struggle mightily in its first three MLS seasons, and the thin supply of Canadian players who are able and willing to compete domestically is only going to get stretched when Vancouver enters the league.
The reality is that the USA has developed a deep enough talent pool to be able to stock a rapidly expanding MLS even when a number of high quality players are plying their trade overseas. Canada has the players, but its resident teams must expend much more capital to bring them back into the fold. Their domestic development model has resulted in too few players of varying quality mostly being dispatched to Europe, while being somewhat incompatible with the larger, stable development model and top level soccer structure of the United States. Like we've seen with Toronto FC, the Canadian MLS teams will get stocked with Americans and other internationals, and without sound management, will struggle to be successful on the field.
I think this is a problem, and if I'm on the mark, other bloggers up there think it's a problem, too. It provides some context for the weird conspiracy theories people like Ben Rycroft come up with:
The unwillingness of @bigsoccer writers to accept any other MLS structure + co-ordinated attacks on those that do is suspicious
And for Ben Knight's puzzling assertion that MLS is a bland league, first in his secret wish for an expanded Voyageurs Cup to be a shadow Canadian League:
Yes, MLS is saddled with the blandness of endless interchangeable opponents, most of whom still don’t have distinct identities for TFC fans even after three full and dramatic seasons.
And then in his resignation to the fact that MLS won't be completely reshaped by the new collective bargaining agreement:
Three years into this thing up Toronto way, and you could still run the same eleven guys every week in different visiting-team shirts, and not a lot of fans would really know the difference. And since better than half of TFC’s opponents wear all white on the road, you don’t really have to change those, either.
[Ed. - Ben also came unhinged this morning just before I posted this entry. By far the most entertaining of the three posts.]
Ben Knight and Duane Rollins have been unapologetic about their stance that MLS should do as much as it can to subsidize Canada's top three professional teams, even at the expense of the fiscal model that has kept MLS viable for 15 years, or at the expense of uncultured midwestern teams whose fans just don't care enough about soccer to make them worth caring about (their characterization, not mine). Of course in their view adding extra designated players who do not count against the cap, bringing small market teams like Vancouver into the league, and allowing Toronto FC to spend oodles of money on players is not subsidization, but I'd argue it is, in the words of Arsene Wenger, a kind of financial doping. Ben Knight:
All I want is somewhat-richer teams which, when they lose, are clearly victims of an upset.
And Canadian teams that receive financial handouts and a titled playing field that allows them to field moderately competitive teams in a league they're going to struggle in without special considerations.
I can't say I've got the answers, but my gut reaction is that the lack of domestic Canadian talent is a problem MLS just doesn't need right now. It's still 1996 up there, and MLS is going to continue to ask how many resources it can afford to expend to allow the Canadian teams to catch up.
On the other hand, thousands of paying fans, remembering some long-ago NASL or recent Euro glory, blissfully unaware or uncaring of the new financial restraints that prevent Toronto from acquiring quality European mercenaries or what little Canadian talent is available, have swelled the league's coffers. The attendant boorish behavior of those fans is a somewhat mitigating factor, but until there's real violence with real injuries, MLS is going to keep looking the other way as it cashes the checks that come from Ontario and British Columbia.
Duane has argued extensively that since Toronto FC's generating that money, then the team should be allowed to spend as much as it can to be competitive (or dominant, I think). At the same time, last year's salary figures and the liberal roster rules for Toronto FC, show MLS is already giving the Canadian team special consideration. I don't think that consideration will extend to a massive reshaping of the single entity system. Nor will it lead to a dismantling of the roster restrictions that have so far worked very well to impose parity and make on the field success a product of staff acumen as opposed to how many fans are leaving the game early on a given Saturday.
It will take a lot more than just Toronto FC not making the playoffs three years running for MLS to grant any more concessions. And who knows? Maybe the other investors admitted Toronto into the league knowing the side would struggle for years to come. Maybe they like having a team in the league that brings in cash, but suffers more than most under the MLS system. And the pension system that owns TFC probably doesn't care all that much so long as it makes money. I'm sure Ben Rycroft can come up with some theories.
In the short term, the lack of domestic Canadian talent will continue to provoke more Canadian frustration with the rigidity of MLS, and it will also be the motivation behind the Toronto bloggers supporting the players in their quixotic quest for free agency and bigger salaries. If Canadian teams continue to be unsuccessful on the field while drawing well at the gate, the misplaced outrage and blame could continue to grow. And at some point in the future, MLS may find itself with a larger headache than it anticipated from bringing those teams into the league.
Fake Sigi out.
17 comments:
Well, I can't speak for my countrymen, but to be honest I don't know if getting more domestic Canadian talent is THE number one, or even a concern at all, behind the desire of some Canadian bloggers to modify the current single-entity model. The fact Mo wanted to make TFC a CanCon team is great, but most TFC fans would not care in the slightest if it were American players winning us an MLS Cup. This has been the case in Canadian sport for some time (see the 1992, 93 Blue Jays).
Duane and co. have long discussed the issues behind not having enough quality Canadians to fill out three MLS squads, but I've never heard them reason that the way to do so is to up MLS salaries in order to drag Canadians back from overseas so Van and MTL can have a team. An 11+5 rule like that at TFC is hardly one begging for hundreds of top flight Canadian players.
I'm also not entirely certain that you are correct in asserting that Canadians want a change to single-entity just to make sure TFC can win. I think they just want a different kind of league. Again, I can only speak for me on this.
You are absolutely right we are in the dark ages with regard to player development; I have a post coming down the pipe about a recent chit chat with a CSA rep that will give you an idea of what I mean. But I don't really see the ideological connection. If anything, Canadians discuss using MLS as a regional springboard to develop the national team players, not vice versa.
The only other thing I take issue with in this article is this: "The attendant boorish behavior of those fans is a somewhat mitigating factor, but until there's real violence with real injuries, MLS is going to keep looking the other way as it cashes the checks that come from Ontario and British Columbia."
What are you talking about, specifically?
I want soccer to be a success in North America for a number of reasons, not the least of which is to become successful in the business of the game as a coach (civic pride, love of the forgotten game, pent up anger that I was never identified as a soccer head in my youth, are others), however, I see a big problem looming. The greatness of the biggest leagues in the world, which, to me, is always going to be the biggest source of domestic (North American) fandom is in the order of things. A multiple layered system of leagues which rewards consistency and demotes indifference will eventually cause MLS to crack on some level. The very insistence of commentators to stay on top of the USL, NASL saga is the boldest example of this desire. The people mentioned in this article are far more informed than I about these subjects and so I apologize for "sheep"ishly coming here to comment, but, I can say this MLS is not the answer, nor are seperate US and Canadian leagues, nor is just selling out the franchise owners who've brought soccer this far since 94.
Maybe instead of goonishly bitching back and forth at one another (Hi Duane!, Hi Soucie!) it would be of benefit to admit that it is far more important to continue to attract new soccer heads to the plight of the game in North America and hope that someone out there, with the gumption, can rise above all of the bullshit to truly lead us forward despite all of the roadblocks, pitfalls of our systems, geographical near-impossibilites, and cultural rants we insist on allowing to defer progress at this most basic level. Blind Love of the Game.
Richard,
I think if the Canadian pool of players were deeper, and more could be persuaded to play in MLS, thus making it easier for TFC and Vancouver to compete, then a lot of the frustration with single entity would dissipate. As it is, people will make an issue about a three-year old residency program in BC closing as being one of the downsides of getting into MLS. I could be totally wrong on that point, and you're welcome to tell me so.
I'm cognizant of the fact that the Toronto bloggers frame the single entity issue as one of change benefiting the league. I think they would complain just as loudly if LA, NY, or Seattle rolled to the title every year because they could outspend everyone else. And I'm well on the record as saying I think the parity band is fine the way it is.
As for the fan issue, I really don't want to make the comment thread about that single sentence, tempting as it may be. All I was saying was that TFC fans don't have the best reputation around the league for a variety of reasons, but unless they perpetrate something truly bad (not saying they will, nor that there aren't fan groups out there with equally bad reputations or worse), MLS doesn't care and will take their money. That's all.
-FS
Brad,
Nice comment. Respect.
But what do you do about consistent indifference? Reward or demote?
-FS
Remove, preferably.
Here in Halifax, 18 hours removed from any major centre we've got it pretty bad. There are thousands playing the game at all levels but there are so many struggles for power going on at every level from parents being disrespectful because they wish to coach, to executives getting involved for all the wrong reasons, to false complacency due to our region being relatively successful in the grand scheme (National players, coaches, recognition at the club level)
My real issue is that the people who are heads do not scream bloody murder when they see the ills. They're not hard to see, but, there is, admittedly a big issue for people to say what they think for the greater good. Because, let me tell you, doing so... sometimes isn't what's best for your personal ambitions.
Again, I've rambled a bit. New forum... I'm excited.
Sorry.
You're right on many fronts Fake Sigi, but thats only because you're cupboard is full and its an American League (for now, soon to be wholly North American).
Are you ignoring the fact that the US program only came to be in the early 90's just after Italia 90? US SOCCER has only really started developing players since then, really.
The CSA needs to take things seriously and if they don't then its up to the clubs to protect their own interests, as the MLS grows so will Canadian soccer (just like Us Soccer)
I personally do not believe (as a Canadian Soccer fan) that the MLS is mundane and boring, quite the opposite.
I can also tell you IMO, that TFC fans are frustrated and even in the face of getting Preki as the new headman the future of the club does not look good at all.
Vancouver will conform unfortunately (if it wants to stay in the MLS) and the CBA negotiations will continue through the season until a deal is reached. All we can do is wait to see what the final outcome is and go from there.
Brad,
Commenters are at least as important as actual articles here, so feel free to expound at length.
I've heard about the issues in the Atlantic provinces. Sorry to get further word that it's true.
-FS
Christian,
Italy 1990 certainly had a role (thank god for Bob Gansler and a Mexican side that got disqualified) but the '84 olympics were the bigger catalyst IMHO. That was what got Rothenberg and the USSF boys involved, and here we are.
As for TFC's prospects this year, I've been looking at that roster and trying to figure out how they can win. It could be done, but it'll be tough.
-FS
"I think they would complain just as loudly if LA, NY, or Seattle rolled to the title every year because they could outspend everyone else."
1) I don't think the natural restrictions the sport has in NA would allow that to actually happen.
2) I'd be fine if it did. Seriously. My opposition to forced parity is to the core.
FS:
How exactly is Vancouver a small market?
Their revenue will be second only to Seattle when they begin play in 2011. And that's only because the Federal/Provincial gov't won't let them spend their own money to build a SSS.
Shawn,
Really? Do tell. I haven't seen any revenue figures for them.
-FS
My response in full: http://www.24thminute.com/2010/02/with-all-talking-you-would-think-there.html
The short answer is that I don't think you've ever understood what I am arguing, or why I am arguing it.
Shawn might be guilty of over confidence, but I'm also confused by your characterization of Vancouver as a small market.
The US collegiate route is the route that MLS has used since inception to stock its rosters with inexpensive American talent. And it has worked relatively well to this point.
The issue for Canada is that our collegiate system is not on par with the US nor has it the possibility to ever become so. It's a cultural thing. Few Canadian kids (Teal Bunbury and O'Brien White notwithstanding) choose the NCAA route.
Vancouver's residency program and the academy that TFC has launched should at the very least be available to these clubs in order to stock their rosters with relatively inexpensive domestic talent. Furthermore I think EVERY MLS club if they so choose, should have the same choice if they wish to spend the funds on an academy.
I am a TFC fan and I want both the club and our national program to succeed. The major problem to this point for the national program has been the lack of viable professional club sides in Canada. Now Toronto and Vancouver are entering the top flight in North America and Montreal is on the way. If they are allowed to use their academies/residencies to add Canadian players to their clubs, and to perhaps sell players outside of MLS at a profit then where is the problem? This not only benefits the clubs but will in the long term see Canada's national team reach it's potential. I would love nothing more than seeing ALL of MLS leverage this model if they choose. And the word CHOICE is key. The league will never reach it's full potential if we choose to continue to depend upon the NCAA for talent. The NCAA teams produce fit players but they are relatively raw prospects. They do not play enough games and do not have as much proximity to professional club setup to fully prepare themselves for the jump to the pros as well as an academy possibly could. Every successful club in the world uses academies. Why not MLS???
I like your blog. Keep up the good work.
In terms of Vancouver being a small market, every statistic I've seen of the metro area puts the population at 2.1 million people. That's a decent bit bigger than Salt Lake, but not that much bigger Columbus or Kansas City.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
-FS
-Every successful club in the world uses academies. Why not MLS???
bgnewf,
I think you've answered your own question here, in terms of the established development path that has existed in the USA. As to the relative benefits of each approach, that's an entirely different discussion.
In terms of profits for selling players, well, that's something to be worked out among the owners. Vancouver has taken a wholly different approach to matters in this regard, and in a league where player contracts are not owned by the teams, I imagine it will take some finesse for them to shoehorn their system in.
Thanks for the compliment, I hope you keep reading.
-FS
Thanks for th
Duane,
I posted a follow up where I bring up and recognize what you said. Obviously, we're not going to agree on this issue, but I specifically wanted to address the issue of Canadian subsidization since everyone who responded pointed out how wrong I was on that issue.
-FS
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